Doctrine to Intuition
feat. Wild Maven Wellness (pt 2)
Annie Mesaros [Spiritual Counselor]
Baltimore, MD
In Part two, Annie reveals how her "Dark Night of the Soul" led to a complete break from the church. She explains how she rebuilt her spirituality through nature & intuitive practices, & now works as an "emotional support witch" to help others find their unique rhythm. To create pockets of healing, that can ripple out & change the world.
EPISODE OUTLINE
The Breaking Point
(00:01:14 - 00:07:42)
Annie explores the profound aftermath of her "Dark Night of the Soul," which fractured her trust in the religious institution that raised her. She details her final break after her advocacy for inclusion was rejected, a pivotal moment that propelled her out of organized religion & onto a new, personal spiritual journey.Intuition Over Institution
(00:15:22 - 00:22:09)
This section reveals how Annie constructed a new spiritual framework centered on self-trust. She introduces tools like tarot as mirrors for introspection, & champions a fluid, seasonal approach to practice that defies rigid dogma. Her philosophy empowers individuals to shed external "shoulds" & discover what truly nourishes their spirit in each season of life.Sanctuary for the Spirit
(00:22:09 - 00:32:48)
Annie brings her mission to life by detailing her work creating accessible, low-stakes communities through moon circles & one-on-one sessions. The conversation culminates in her visionary dream of a nature retreat—a sanctuary for underpaid helpers—showcasing her commitment to building healing spaces where personal & collective transformation can ripple outward.
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TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Intro music plays…
[00:00:05] Aubrey:
Welcome back for part two of my conversation with Annie Mesaros of Wild Maven Wellness. She's a Theologian turned “emotional support witch” and a dear friend of mine.
In part one, we focused more on Annie's personal background. We learned about her experience growing up in a megachurch and the purity movement in the nineties until college when she experienced her own Dark Night of the Soul experience. In essence, losing touch with God. This is where this episode will pick back up in Annie's story, and we'll discuss how this specific experience led her to Wild Maven Wellness, and now how she helps others on their own journeys to spiritual freedom.
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Thanks truly for spending your time listening to The Golden Approach. A podcast where I chat with people, I think embody the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too. Because when we learn from each other, we collectively create a better future for us all. One led by curiosity, hope, empathy, and reciprocity.
Now, without further ado, let's get to the good stuff.
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[00:01:14] Annie:
I had grown up with this message of: God will never ever leave you. And as St John talks about it, who was a monk in Spain in the fifteen-hundreds talks about the term, the Dark Knight of the Soul, it is the experience of the absence of God. That's just what it is. And I'm not the only one that's experienced it. That was very helpful to know.
Mother Theresa actually experienced it for most of her ministry. She had a very clear calling from God into founding her ministry in India, and then basically did not hear from God again for the many decades of her life. But she just had a commitment and a faithfulness that I probably will never possess where she just was like, well, I knew that's what God wanted from me. If God wants something different from me, then God will tell me and I will just continue with the instructions I was given.
Like, I mean, it's been almost 20 years. Like I don't actually know what order all things happened in anymore, but from what I remember, I think that was the beginning of the end, having some language, having any acknowledgement that what I was experiencing was real because it was so much gaslighting. I don't think that any Christians around me, in my home church or in my college church, were willing to acknowledge my experience because it's so terrifying. Like they didn't want it to be possible.
[00:02:42] Aubrey:
I think it's so interesting for us to have this conversation because even though I guess this isn't what I originally would've described it or thought of it as, like, all the pieces of this puzzle that you're saying. Like feeling that absence, that loneliness, sort of that um, disconnect from those around you and them not either knowing how to relate to you or not willing to admit that they know what you're going through. Whatever it is, I think we get overwhelmed realizing like, how big the world is, outside the nest. then you add religion into that equation. I can see why it would be such an impactful time of your life.
[00:03:22] Annie:
Yeah, I describe it as like, really the watershed moment. It was a long moment, six months. but really the watershed time of my life. There's the before and the after, unlike anything else I've ever experienced. And, it changed everything. I also just really like to include this quote from St. John of the cross, 'cause I then wrote my master's thesis on this. But he says, “that this experience is painful beyond the possibility of exaggeration.”
I don't even write poetry, but I'm like, I wanna write poetry. When I read things like that,
[00:03:55] Aubrey:
Yeah. I don't know why we feel like that is the way we have to live this very cool human experience. But, I love that humans are poets.
[00:04:03] Annie:
Yeah, so there's a little bit of a part two to the Dark Night, which is that, coming out of it I did just kind of slowly like re-access God. God just kind of like, came trickling back. I do believe in God, a lot of people assume that I don't, but something can't be absent if they don't exist. So it was like, in that absence, the presence was confirmed.
Um, a lot of trust was lost on my part. I lost a lot of trust in God and also all my trust in the church because they promised that wouldn't happen and they were wrong. And then fast forward a few years, I was coming out of that I had this, like, very distinct sense that I didn't hear God's voice, but I felt these words or like I felt this wisdom, which is that, I was created on purpose and for a purpose. And basically ever since then I've just been like, I don't know exactly what that means, but that is the only thing that feels true anymore.
[00:05:09] Aubrey:
I think. And so that is really beautiful just 'cause a lot of people always throw out the argument of I didn't ask to be born. Oh that's so interesting. Yeah. I think that is such an interesting thing for anyone who has thought that, so sorry, keep going.
[00:05:22] Annie:
Yeah. And I definitely I've never tried to universalize that. I just know that, like, it's true for me. And that's like just where essentially all of my theology and doctrine from all of my growing up was now like out the window. I was like those motherfuckers, they dunno shit. They weren't there for me when I was drowning and like maybe God is love, maybe God isn't. So I was like, clean slate for my theological beliefs.
I remained in the church because being a Christian was such a core part of my identity that I didn't really know what else to be or do. And I ended up working at the church that I grew up in. And ultimately when I tried to bring back this like, “Hey, when we say like with God anything is possible, maybe that means gay people could be ordained as pastors or get married?” They were like, hell no. I was like, “so not everything is possible with God?” Like just trying to use their words against them, right?
Like You cannot tell my queer family members and friends who grew up in this church that they were like, made beautifully in the image of God until they come out to you and then you ostracize them and send them away. Like, what the actual fuck are you doing? So then I had to leave because that was not welcome there. And we weren't getting anywhere and I was just getting angrier and angrier. And I ended up going to seminary, like in my middle twenties. and got my master of divinity because I was like, you are wrong, and I am right.
[00:07:07] Aubrey:
Yes. More women leading religion.
[00:07:11] Annie:
Yes, exactly. So I have my M of Div, which is a pa, degree that a lot of pastors have. I never intended to be a pastor, and by the time I was done with school, I was no longer a Christian. and that's just basically all of the things just continued, until I was like, I think I just want to like kayak at sunset and feel the breeze on my face and maybe sing songs from Moana. So anyway, I actually, through my friend and teacher Mary, who's an eco-theologian, we can include her stuff as well.
[00:07:42] Aubrey:
Mary the eco-theologian. I love everything about that word.
[00:07:45] Annie:
She is, she's the one that does like rights and stuff with her children, like brilliant theologian. And it was through her and like connecting more with the seasons, and the landscape that I just became witch-ier and witch-ier.
But I really think that I was a witch all along. I had questions. I liked playing with rocks. I liked to be in the tide pools. I liked to be on the water. I, yeah, it just was like the questions and the nature are like witch. and I believed that I, I had something important to say. even, especially as I was being silenced, and being told that; literally being told by church leaders that I was wrong about my own experience in the Dark Night when I came back and said, “we need to be accepting of queer people because I had this experience and it means anything is possible.” They said, “no. The Bible is a source of what we should be doing, not your experience.” And I was like: I disagree.
So when I wrote my thesis, I started using this imagery of the sky. So on a sunny day, clear blue sky, we might have the misunderstanding that like the world or the universe ends at the horizon. Because we wouldn't know any different. And so I talk about in the church this like, patriarchal preference for light, which is like, they, the powers that be want us to believe that this is all there is. But then when the darkness comes, like the Dark Night of the Soul, like literal darkness, any kind of like, deep grief or trauma or tragedy; a new truth is revealed to us and the sky is pulled back. We can essentially see behind the curtain and we know that there's so much more to the universe. We have neighbors in other planets. We have this beautiful moon, which of course we can still see through a blue sky, but I feel like we would be even more confused about the moon than we already are. If we only ever saw it in like the blue sky. Who is she? But there is so much like vastness and truth, and they try to teach us, especially like in theologies, Christian theologies, that preference light will say you can't trust what you hear in the dark because essentially it's like the devil trying to play on your doubts.
[00:10:08] Aubrey:
Yes.
[00:10:08] Annie:
I know we haven't even talked about the devil. We won't.
[00:10:11] Aubrey:
In my humble opinion, back to what you were saying earlier about like, the shame, the guilt around feminine energy, feminine traits, right? Like the demonization of the night, like the moon is feminine. The sun is considered more masculine. That is again, a pretty universal theme and I just think what you're saying is so powerful because they're just reaffirming the intentions behind the teachings.
Who is doing teaching and what are their intentions or where are their boundaries? And that they will hold true to those boundaries even when the sky, opens up and all these beautiful stars present themselves and we can the Milky Way. And yeah, so anyway, I'm gonna try not to go on a tangent about stars 'cause I really think it like, changes everyone's lives, but it just, again, I think it ties themes together so well.
[00:11:05] Annie:
Yeah. And it's like there's so much more to the universe and it's all true. And I think that was the thing where, I was told like don't believe your doubts. And I'm like, your doubts are your intuition speaking to you. Something is wrong here. Get out. Like your fear is information. so we can trust our feelings and listen to our feelings. And it doesn't mean we make all of our life decisions based on our anxiety, or even on our fear. But the idea that we can't trust that and it doesn't have good information for us or reveal something really important about our context or like the, like, systems that we're part of and stuck in, makes me crazy. But, I also love talking about it, so I'm really glad you invited me here.
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[00:12:36] Aubrey:
So let's transition into what you do now because we've really given a lot of puzzle pieces and I want to bring together the whole picture for people because where you've been very clearly influences where you are in the best way. And I think you offer such a unique offering to people; I had never met anyone who does what you do until we crossed paths. And I think it's really beautiful. So yeah, let's totally dig into that.
[00:13:06] Annie:
Yes. And so that's where, for me, like as a witch, my personal practice is like only things that feel good to me. It's never: go to church every week, read your Bible every day, or else. Like there was a lot of emphasis growing up on, like, having your quiet time, which was like journaling and reading your Bible, and you should do it every day and you shouldn't miss a day. And now I'm like more, like seasonally minded.
I listen to my own energy level and I think tarot cards are a really good example of how I have been able to reclaim my own relationship with my intuition. No one ever really talked about tarot cards when I was growing up that I remember. I assume they would've been seen as bad, like very un-Christian. I was actually part of a very intellectual community. I know it probably didn't sound like it in my description, but it was a university church. Like two steps away from the campus so a lot of professors, a lot of thinky people, and so we weren't talking a lot about, like, evil and demons and stuff, but I think tarot would've been considered evil.
And I don't use it for divination. I don't know how much your listeners are like familiar or well-versed in tarot, but I just use it as a mirror to hold up. I can pull some cards, ask a question, and just see what's reflected back to me and work with the themes and the images there. And the symbols just again, to like tap into my intuition, to learn the sound of her voice better, to check in with myself to get some perspective.
I love reading with others. You and I read together with a group of people and it was magical, like to be able to come together. It's just a tool to tap into your intuition. But I always talk about it as it has been a lifeline for me as I have come out of Christianity to say instead of, “what does this external text say?” “what do these external teachers say?” And instead, “what am I feeling?” “what's really on my heart?” And when I teach tarot, I often think about the reason that I don't encourage people to ask yes or no questions is because, I'm pretty sure we're asking a question we already know the answer to. And so it's only gonna give us, like, more nuance. It's really to be in conversation with the cards, which is to be like in conversation with your own heart.
[00:15:22] Aubrey:
I love that this is coming outta this conversation because I think that's one of those things that like does get considered kinda”woo-woo” or misinterpreted, or misrepresented based on cinema and media.
It is like an energy practice. It is an intuition practice.
[00:15:37] Annie:
Yeah.
[00:15:38] Aubrey:
So I think that's a really lovely thing to point out. That's exactly how I feel about it; I'm very novice to it. And I think to your point about the practice that we shared, because we're gonna talk about your moon circles for sure, I love them, but it was like that one in particular has been one of my absolute favorites. So this was for the New Moon in Virgo. And we, the themes were all around like harvesting; back to your seasonal comment, this is just another way to connect with seasons. No matter what background you come from, we are all humans on this planet and we are affected by the seasons, and it's like a good thing to be connected to.
[00:16:15] Annie:
So just to give other folks context, when we do use tarot at moon circles, everyone does, everyone like pulls their own cards and spends some time like reflecting on them; reading up on the cards, journaling. And then we'll go around the circle and people can like share, this is what I pulled and I'm not really sure what this card means, but this card really resonates in this way. And then people can like, give input or ask more questions and be curious with them, and it makes their readings really rich.
[00:16:40] Aubrey:
One thing I wanna offer back I think pairs with this conversation overall really well. having grown up in a lot of different religious practices and then growing up and adapting what I was taught into sort of my own path. And similarly, I would say for you as well, like I love a nature documentary. I'm sure you've heard me go off on a tangent about nature documentaries at least once, if not more than that… and you will likely again in the future. And so as I learn more about the science of nature, I find myself more spiritual. And so something like that, of everyone pulling these tarot cards because like energy is science. Like vibrations, energy, all that stuff that's like happening; magnets and gravity and blah, blah blah in the world. So it is science, but it's spiritual. We're all just like vibing together.
[00:17:28] Annie:
Yeah.
[00:17:29] Aubrey:
And I think that speaks to the power of when people are connecting and when they are on the same channel with each other.
[00:17:36] Annie:
Yeah. And yeah, and like for me it's just like, I just wanna be like, curious and wowed. I often, describe the community that I, the church community I grew up in, is that questions were welcome, but I also remember questions always having an answer, and not enough like mystery and nuance. And now I really crave that of just like, let's just ask all of our questions and then go look at the stars and be like, “whoa!” “yes” “Amen” “true” “why not?”
Why does life have to be harder than that? It doesn't. Other things are hard: work, having enough money to live, not having healthcare. These are like real problems. Can we just be in wonder about something?
[00:18:16] Aubrey:
Yes. Humans make everything so complicated. Like they just do, half the things that we're struggling through are like man-made problems. We're making conscious choices to stay in these struggles a lot of times, maybe not as much in some bigger things that, that's a different conversation of equal capital and control. But I digress all to say that to your point, like there is a simplicity in what we need to do, in what the human experience is. We don't need to overcomplicate it. We can all just do some self-reflection, do some community work, and stare at some stars and that be enough. That's enough.
Okay, so the moon circles are such a great local perk. So if anyone is in the Baltimore area, like truly cannot recommend enough and it is so you that you do pay what you can. So just know, if you go, suggest a donation is twenty-dollars. I'm not afraid to set the tone, but yeah, it is pay what you can. And I really respect that and it's a great way for people to be in a very welcoming space with no pretenses.
[00:19:30] Annie:
One of my regulars described it to me the other day. I asked her how she would describe it and she said: low stakes, but organized.
[00:19:38] Aubrey:
That's exactly how I feel about it. It's like such a relief. I'm gonna do a bonus plug 'cause I got this awesome like, lunar journal at Flourish, which is also here in Baltimore. All the plugs of this episode in the show notes as I always do. But, like you were talking about journal practices and going with seasons, I always wanna be one of those girlies that like journals every day, and stretches, and drinks enough water. That is my dream. My Capricorn energy screams that someday I will become her, but I am not her. I am chaos in a bottle.
And so your moon circles are the perfect way to be seasonal, intentional, but fluid. I'm committed to like my goals and myself. It is low stakes. I never stress about going, which as an ADHD person, I'm like, “oh, am I gonna be social? I don't know, is today the day?” So it's so welcoming but organized. I know I'm gonna walk in the door and Annie's got it covered.
[00:20:31] Annie:
I do. And I think that there is again, I would say a patriarchal preference for the daily habit. And that's not everybody's energy. Even if you just look at like more like masculine hormones, those are more on a twenty-hour cycle where women's hormonal experience tends to be on more of a twenty-eight day cycle. So like don't, I don't want anyone listening to ever beat themselves up for not being able to get into daily habits, because that is not how a lot of people function.
Even men as well, right? And then when you add like neurodiversity onto it and different health stuff, and work rhythms, and family obligations… All these things, man-made choices; maybe you're not someone who wants to join like the five AM club, and get up and do pushups, and drink lemon water, and do your morning pages or whatever. That's fine. Let's find what the rhythm is with you.
And that's part of the work that I do with clients is: what is your like spiritual craving and what might satisfy that craving? And that might be something for now, right? Like you may even look back and be like, “oh, back in the day I used to like journal really regularly or pull tarot cards every day or go for a run every morning and I just can't get myself to do it.” Now it's, it probably was for that season and it's not for this season, and that's okay. You don't have to beat yourself up for that if it's something you genuinely are craving. Let's see if we can figure out a way for you to reintegrate that. But it may feel out of reach because it's not really for you in this season. And maybe the attachment to it is like this mental idea of who you ought to be.
[00:22:09] Aubrey:
What you are saying about what is your practice at this time, like I think that to me is what I hope anyone finds through any resource. Like whatever they need to get there. And because spirituality, religion is such, an important component for most of humanity, I think being able to go to someone who bridges those two worlds of coming from a more traditional. background, who says you can have your cake and eat it too. If that structure is what you want, like more power to you, lets make that work for you. If just going and standing in a river and staring at the blue sky and some clouds is what's gonna serve you and bring you joy, then go do that. That permission giving, that fluidity that, that like intuition from yourself, I just think more of that energy needs to be in this world and I really hope that people will consider.
[00:23:05] Annie:
Yeah. Thank you. I really love it. I just love journeying with people in their story and I've always loved that. It's a thread through all the different nonprofit jobs I've had and my fight with the church that ended up with me leaving, like all of that was wanting people's authentic story to have room to breathe, and to have spaces where it is like fully accepted for people just to show up unapologetically as themselves because I wanted that for myself, and I want that for my queer family and friends who were not offered that in the church. But also I wasn't really offered that in the church. It felt like the more I was me, the less I was welcome and I don't want that for anybody.
And yeah, whether it's moon circles or one-on-one counseling, or just like encouraging people to build community where they are. And I'm hoping to have some offerings in the future that will help people grow in their ability to do that. 'Cause I know that's a huge struggle for folks is, like, finding community. That's a 2026 thing but yeah, feeling connected to yourself, feeling connected to something bigger than yourself, and feeling connected to other humans is like really at the core of all of my offerings.
I am not trying to help people heal, like, for their own sake only, but so that they can change, really like the fabric of the ecosystem that they're a part of. Because people are truly suffering emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally in our world. We know this is true in the United States and beyond. We can look at war zones going on, famines, natural disasters, like all of these things. And I think, if we look at Adrian Marie Brown's Fractal Theory from Emergent Strategy, we create pockets of what we want the world to be and it can scale out. And I do believe that, but I think it takes commitment and faith in our ability. And it takes a lot of pockets of people doing that. And I think that we can really shift some things and create the world that we imagine but we have to believe that we are capable of doing that. And I fully do. I'm all bought into that.
[00:25:20] Aubrey:
I think that is such a timely message. I, in my own circles at least, and I feel like on social media and such, see such a repetitive theme of like, “where's our leader?” And that's the problem where all these different algorithm bubbles. So I actually don't know how many people are seeing that. but I am seeing it a lot and I do feel like I've heard people say this in person of like, “why aren't ‘so and so’ coming to the rescue?” “why can't these people like, get, their-selves together?” We're all just like having a lot of judgment and expectations externally. And your point about like, from the individual out, that goes back to nature, right?
Like nature teaches us what works and water ripples is a, that is a good lesson. It is a good metaphor for this time that there is so much healing and so much range in the type of healing that needs to happen, that each of us truly committing to healing like ourselves and those in our inner circle, and like being open, not in that like coming full circle way of preconceived expectations on like how something is supposed to be or how you are supposed to receive a message or live your life. Like we all just need to feel like whole people who feel connected and loved. And there is nothing wrong. And all of us need someone that we can reach out to who like, does the work that you do. It can be a therapist, it can be a pastor, it can be a witch, like it can be anyone that you feel can help you on that journey. All these things help me heal as a whole person, and you've done lots of different things to help you heal as a whole person. So yeah, so I just, the ripple effect and I hope that we all commit to it. Anyway, that's a long tangent.
So all to say, how can people find your services? So obviously I'll link all the things in the show notes, but there are so many ways to connect on the Moon Circle schedule, your other offerings... So tell us how we find our way to all your events?
[00:27:28] Annie:
Yeah. So I do try to stay off social media for the most part. I have an Instagram, it's not like super active, but it's there. So the best way to find me is WildMavenWellness.com. And from there you can subscribe to my newsletter. It comes out every, about every two weeks; it's like usually four or five days before either the New Moon or the Full Moon. And that is intentional to give you some time. It has some practices in there. If you can come to the Moon Circle, it has a reminder in there with a link to register. And so that's a good, “oh wait, that's, this week, I should sign up for that.”
Or if you're not in Baltimore, you can't make it, or you wanna dabble by yourself and feel intimidated (although it is very low stakes) whatever practice we're doing for the Moon Circle is already on my blog. So there's a link to that in the newsletter. You can practice wherever you are. You can grab a friend and practice with them. It'll be like a guided meditation or tarot practice or journaling prompts. That's usually what it is. Imagine there could be some other variety in the future. but that's all in the newsletter as well as any updates on other offerings. So as I am launching additional things in 2026, that'll be in there.
And then I also offer one-on-one sessions, and those are virtual. And I see people all over. So unlike, I think that's the good thing I'm not a mental health therapist and so I'm not restricted by “oh, I can only see people in Maryland” I see people everywhere that's virtual. And also everything is on a sliding scale 'cause this is an anti-capitalist moment. And I'm hoping to add other things in the future.
On my website, you'll also see that I write rituals for people. That has not been like a super active part of my business, but I'm also very open to doing that. Yeah, that can be like wedding rituals or graduation rituals, or the death of a pet ritual, or moving into a new house ritual, anything like that where you want some assistance in like designing something to mark a significant moment. I can, and would be, delighted to work on that with you.
[00:29:29] Aubrey:
That's so lovely. this has been truly a treat. I appreciate the range of conversation that you were open to having and again, like, I appreciate all the people who come on the show who are really vulnerable and personal because genuinely, people like are very grateful to hear each individual's like story. And I already know that this is gonna feel very relevant for some people in my life and I'm very excited to share this conversation. So truly thank you.
[00:30:05] Annie:
Yeah, it has been such a pleasure. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, and I'm just so grateful for your presence in my life, and also grateful for the invitation to share my story.
[00:30:15] Aubrey:
Oh my God. I feel honored. Just honored and grateful.
…So before I let you go, if you want as a bonus, tell me about this like dream world that you have because, like, I want us to like share our dreams and manifest 'em into reality. Whatever we gotta do to make them real. So let's start here. and put it out to the universe.
[00:30:39] Annie:
Totally. Because yeah, I'm very open to someone listening, being like, “I have some land, I'll contribute to that.”
So yeah, my dream that actually is like Wild Maven’s big sister, is to get a piece of land on the shores of Puget Sound in Washington state where I grew up, and build a number of tiny houses and like a communal kitchen, and a slightly larger than tiny house for myself (and maybe a handsome man and obviously several dogs) so yeah. And just have this like nature retreat, and it's pay what you can and the pay what you can being for people who are in helping professions. Because I have always worked for nonprofits up until last year and have been like, deeply underpaid and financially stressed, and emotionally and mentally burnt out, and just in need of space to relax. And I am very fortunate that I have parents that support me that will get me a plane ticket to visit them at their place in Arizona. And that's really nice, but it's also “oh, I have to save up PTO.” Like all of these things that are barriers to people, who don't have that, to be able to just like, decompress and be in nature.
And if “they,” in this future world, if they wanted to do some sessions with me, they could; we'll probably have moon circles there, you know. Like community dinners in the kitchen, and things like that. Or they could just sit on the porch and zone out, like whatever they need.
I especially want it to be accessible to people who work really hard and are like horribly, chronically, underpaid for what they do to be able to come and be refreshed, and be rejuvenated but maybe can't afford like vacations in the way that other people maybe like in the for-profit world or just in other industries can. So like teachers, and social workers, and other folks like that, who are doing really good work and need a break. That area is really my heart's home. And so it's a long-term dream. One that I have not even begun to understand or figure out the finances for.
[00:32:48] Aubrey:
That's great. I love the, like, the journey and the possibility. It's gonna be great. I know it.
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Episode Resources:
[Episode] Aubrey & Molly: Dandelion Salon & Apothecary
[Episode] Elyse: Be More Connected
If you liked this episode, I highly recommend listening to my chat with Sarah Knight, a chef turned educator and activist who shares with us her commitment to ethical and sustainable living practices. You'll find it linked in the show notes.
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